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http://www.medievalcookery.com/dreamdinner/

an interesting idea....what if a banquet was planned, no holds barred, all the stops pulled out. everyone on the executive staff really really really knew their stuff.

and here's the new part....they charged people what it actually was worth.

I've done real world charity gigs before. the modern audience will happily pay $20 or more for a seat at a table, and that's a single course or two. I even got bought at a charity auction for $300 and I came and did a class where the people who paid did the cooking! (that was tons of fun :)) Yet the SCA audience winges and whines at more than $5 for a multicourse sit down served meal. Have they not done grocery shopping? Heck, you cant even buy a big mac, drink and fries for that. *sigh*

I wonder, if I recruited some NAMES and we did a sit down, served feast for a good cause (royal travel fund? regalia? someones medical expenses?), how much would AnTirians pay per plate? we're talking you show up and sit down. all the feast gear could be donated and you got to keep it. the food would be period and awesome. we're talking a roast, goose and fish (oysters? a whole salmon?) and subtleties. A feast for the eyes as well as the tongue. we're talking a banquetting course on the sugar paste plates that you get to keep (or eat :)). good background live musicians. Maybe 12 or 15 guests tops. Heck, you could even pick the time/place of the food.

My gut says it might be a good idea for us, but I know times are tough. hmmmm.......



Date: 2009-10-01 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayeshadream.livejournal.com
I've heard people grumble that Madrone prices their feasts too high because they are usually closer to $20 than the $8-10 they were used to. o_O Seriously, most people just don't get it.

I would personally be delighted to either help out how ever I might be needed, or easily pay at least $50-60 or even $100 to have a fantastic meal the helped fund a good cause. I'd happily pay 3 times that if we wern't in the process of buying a house. :)

I'd also say that I wouldn't nessisarily need or want to keep the feast gear, but if I could just show up, eat, chat and leave without having to unpack, set up, pack and clean up that would be definately worth it to me. :)

Date: 2009-10-01 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smithwick.livejournal.com
I've always wondered about the whole cost of an SCA feast thing. I remember having this conversation with Lisel over 15 years ago.

I went to IHOP and dropped 45 for 3 people, no alchol. On Top chef, they get like $300 to cook for like 8 people. That's like $35 per person just for the food.

I have a friend who owns a farm. She hosts "Farm Dinners" which are multi-course meals with wine pairings, which cost $75/person.

Sur La Table has a cooking class that ends in eating the meal for $79 per person and I help cook.

Yep, you're right. the SCA audience doesn't necessarily appreciate the cost of food or effort to create it.

So, the audience would be small, but I think that for the right group of foodies. It would work.

Date: 2009-10-01 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fjorlief.livejournal.com
While it is surely true of some, I think that it is a bit unkind to generalize that all folks in the SCA don't know or appreciate the cost of good food, or the labor that it takes to transform said food into a feast.

While that may be true of some, there are others, like myself, that are well aware of the cost for providing food, but find that cost to be out of budget. (Hmmm... pay the electric bill, or go to an event with a feast...not much of a decision there...I don't eat out at restaurants much at all either... the economic reality is that not everyone has the same amount of disposable income)

That said, I would be happy to contribute in other ways if something like this were to be organised, I would could make drawings to decorate a menu, and if it was local here in Portland I could help in the kitchen or serving.

Date: 2009-10-01 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ornerie.livejournal.com
I am well aware that some folks appreciate it and just cant afford it now (heck, everyone is really watching their discretionary spending these days). hence my closing comment that even if we did offer it, would we have enough takers with todays economy?

but I'm starting to think that maybe, just maybe, there are enough people out there with the discretionary income AND the discretionary palates (it would take both :)) to make something like this worth all the work and sweat..... hmmm...

Date: 2009-10-01 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] learsfool.livejournal.com
Cooking is magic voodoo, and you are right; we rarely give it the credit (ha, double entendre) that it's due.

I'd gladly help with this if you needed some joyful noise, feisty serving wench, or a slayer of dishes, though!

Date: 2009-10-01 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scratchel.livejournal.com
I think that people would pay $$ for something like that. It appeals to a specific group of people, and they know that if they are in your hand, they will get the star treatment. Three Mountains has done this at least a couple of times while we were on the Thrones, private, nice sit down feasts, entertainment, several courses,table-ware provided, etc., and I was amazed at how much they made. I think they raffled off tickets, and people would buy lots of tickets to increase their chances...Hludwige would be able to tell you more than I can.
I say go for it!

Date: 2009-10-01 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mummybeare.livejournal.com
Oh! I really like the idea of raffling tickets... But, I'd up the cost of the tickets a bit and make them tickets for two. Because it would suck if I won a ticket and Liam didn't, for example. But, I bet a lot of people would buy raffle tickets in hopes to win a seat at the table.

Date: 2009-10-01 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scratchel.livejournal.com
now that you mention it, I believe they were for 2, and I think the cost of one ticket was maybe 5 or 10 dollars? I'm hazey on that....thanks for the memory boost!

Date: 2009-10-01 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copper-oxide.livejournal.com
IMHO
If they would or would not pay for such a lovely meal, even within the SCA, is completely going to depend on:
your target audience.

I'm sure you wouldn't try it in a College town like we have here, nor for a party household. But there are probably enough people who would indeed pay, but they would be from many areas, not one Barony.

A worthwhile fund-raiser seems like the best possibility.

I would happily be your page & turn the spit for such an exciting event.

Date: 2009-10-01 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ldyanna.livejournal.com
I've always wanted to do this, especially after reading about the dream dinner. I would travel up to An Tir to help and would gladly do subtletites too.

Date: 2009-10-01 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-duchess.livejournal.com
Mmmm. What wouldn't I pay? Sign me up.

Date: 2009-10-01 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shalmestere.livejournal.com
I remember paying $5.50 for a multi-course feast--at a rural outdoor event--in 1981 :->

Nowadays? $20.00 for site + feast would be a steal (particularly here in the Land of Expensive Sites).

Date: 2009-10-01 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dame-eleanor.livejournal.com
I love the idea, and I don't think $100/p/p is out of line, especially as it's a "fund raiser". I'd be delighted to attend! I think your top limit should be 16 guests...two table of 8, or whatever, as that would make scaling up pretty much of a breeze.

Let's say you charged $100 per head. If you ingredients cost $25 per head, you'd still have a net of about $1200 to go to your "fund" of choice. That's a really *nice* donation!

Not sure I understand the need for "free feast gear to take away", unless it is to maintain the integrity of the look of the hall, which I understand. But still...that would be extremely kewl, even if I personally don't need new feast gear.

On the other hand, I'd love participating in the kitchen, too! Very nifty idea you've got there.

Date: 2009-10-01 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copper-oxide.livejournal.com
Matching place settings became important & common only after the Industrial Revolution.

Although, it is not unreasonable to assume that the work of a particular craftsman would have been predominately used.
And in Renaissance Italy, each (major) city had a different and distinct style of maiolica. I haven't researched metalware, but it's possible this was also the case. So I think it's also reasonable to assume their dish and serving ware could be of similar style.

I know what you mean

Date: 2009-10-02 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helblonde.livejournal.com
I was nervous setting the price of the Esfenn feast that Ysabella cooked at $20. With a well-known cook we sold out, but it was close. (We were hampered by the site rule that prohibited us from collecting money on site so all tix had to be pre-sale. OTOH, knowing how many seats were sold and having the money up front was helpful.)

I don't know that you'd need to give away the feast gear. Save it so you could do it again!
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